
So the NRL regular season is coming to an end and once again we look forward to September and the crazy crazy finals series! Crazy because every time I look at it I confuse myself. This year I’m not going to get into detail about the format, but just a look at the potential top 8 going into the last week of the comp and make some predictions for the finals series.
Going into the last round of the competition the table looks like this:
1. St George Illawarra
23
16
7
0
2
480
275
205
36
2. Wests Tigers
23
15
8
0
2
519
482
37
34
3. Penrith
23
14
9
0
2
595
477
118
32
4. Gold Coast
23
14
9
0
2
499
480
19
32
5. Warriors
23
13
10
0
2
513
474
39
30
6. Sydney Roosters
23
13
10
0
2
541
502
39
30
7. Manly
23
12
11
0
2
521
480
41
28
8. Canberra
23
12
11
0
2
481
477
4
28
9. South Sydney
23
11
12
0
2
560
529
31
26
10. Brisbane
23
11
12
0
2
492
517
-25
26
11. Newcastle
23
10
13
0
2
495
535
-40
24
12. Parramatta
23
10
13
0
2
401
465
-64
24
13. Canterbury-Bankstown
23
8
15
0
2
464
515
-51
20
14. Cronulla
23
7
16
0
2
342
559
-217
18
15. North Queensland
23
5
18
0
2
417
649
-232
14
16. Melbourne
23
13
10
0
2
455
359
96
0
The Dragons have been the form team this year without a doubt and deserve their minor premiership. They can’t be caught now, the Rabbitohs face them this weekend and they themselves will be pushing to sneak into 8th spot for a rematch! Whoever ends up in 8th is genuinly up against it. Paramatta made it through last year by a great run of form, there are no teams in contention for 8th that you would say are in a great vein of form so you would have to say that whoever ends up in 8th is going straight back home again.
West Tigers, Penrith and Gold Coast have all had great seasons too. I would suggest that they would round out the top 4 to the misfortune of the Warriors. The Warriors can force a home play off if they beat the Eels and the Gold Coast lose to the Tigers- both pretty real possiblities, so its far from over for the Warriors from making the top 4 and they need a little bit of luck to go their way to get a home semi at mt smart.
But I have to say, the top 4 at the moment have been the frount runners pretty much all season and probably in the scheme of things deserve to finish in the top 4 and get the home games. 5 and 6 are also pretty secure. The Warriors and the Roosters will both make the 8 regardless of what happens this weekend, its just where in the 8 they will fall that matters now, they are neck and neck in terms of points difference, the Roosters take on the hapless Cowboys and the Warriors go up against the unpredictable Eels. The Roosters are in some rampant form and I think they’ll dish out a hiding to the Cowboys. The Warriors should beat the Eels, but I think the difference will be the sheer hiding that the Roosters are going to give the Cowboys that will see them elevated to 4th or 5th, the Warriors in 6th. Manly would have to lose by a lot to drop out of the 8, I suppose mathematically its possible, but unlikely against a stuttering Bulldogs. Canberra, the Rabbits and the Broncos are pretty much all in with an equal chance of rounding out the top 8.
Canberra and Broncos line up against each other in a life or death match- should make for good watching! If Canberra win then obviously the Broncos are gone and Souths will be too. If the Broncos get up, they’ll need to dish out a thrashing to get over the line! But even if they beat Canberra, Souths still need to thump the Dragons by plenty to get in.
Having considered all that I think I can reasonably predict the following top 8:
Dragons:
Tigers
Penrith
Titans
Roosters
Warriors
Sea Eagles
Raiders
From there – Dragons v Raiders – (Dragons). Sea Eagles v Tigers (Sea Eagles) Panthers v Warriors (Warriors) Titans v Roosters (Roosters). After that – who knows- its all too complicated to figure out at 5pm.
Richie is now going to come along as disagree with everything I just said:!
I hate to say it Scotty but I am going to have to disagree with you about the Dragons being a foregone conclusion come the first week of the finals. This time last year they were looking pretty strong and looking like going all the way.
Don't get me wrong, they have a great team. Darius Boyd at the back, Nightingale, Copper and Gasnier in the centres and Soward and Hornby in the halves. That is a formidable backline and we haven't even started talking about their forwards. Chuck Weyman, Costigan, Creagh, Jeremy Smith and Nathan Fien in for good measure and you do have one of the best teams on paper. The problem with these guys is that they are becoming the perennial chokers of the NRL. I think this has a lot to do with Soward. He is someone that does standout most weeks for the Dragons. But the guy has never really been tested. I think that there is a reason that the NSW selectors keep overlooking him and that is because he doesn't have any big game experience. Ben Hornby is also a journeyman in that respect. I like the Dragons, but I just don't think that they will be guaranteed to beat the 8th placed team, such is the evenness of the competition this year.
I think Scotty's top 8 predictions are just about bang on. I can't see the Broncos getting up against the Raiders this weekend. They were horrible last weekend against the Warriors and they just don't look like they have the goods without Lockyer. They are missing the stalwarts that they used to have. They have young guys with huge potential but just aren't quite there yet. For you Broncos fans this year, thanks for the memories but it is time your boys hit the proverbial showers early this year but I expect that you will be back and even stronger next year. Hodges on one side and Inglis on the other, being fed cut out passes by Lockyer and Wallace. The Broncos will be back next year.
The Roosters are one team that I think will be grandfinalists this year. I watched their game against Manly last weekend and I was as surprised as Phil Gould that they managed to stay in the hunt and within reach during that first half. They were absolutely rubbish. They had this chump of a guy who is the Cook Island's fullback at the back wearing number 18. I think it was his debut. In this first two minutes, he retreaved a kick, ran it to the line and then rather than taking a tackle, threw a long cut out ball across the field in his own 20m that went to ground. That told the Sea Eagles that he didn't want to run it at them for the rest of the game so they made sure that everytime he got the ball he got three Manly players and was roughed up accordingly. Great rugby league. Despite their horrible fullback and other horrible play, the Roosters held on until oranges, they went into the sheds and came out a completely different team and blew Manly off the park. Granted, this was aided by an 8 point try awarded after the video ref missed a blatant "taking out off the ball" and then penalised Jamie Lyon for diving in late on Kenny-Dowal and making contact with his head. That probably changed the game but it doesn't change the fact that the Roosters stepped up. Todd Carney is a magician at 6. He is the best player in the game at the moment and as long as he is fit and staying off the booze then the Roosters will be there or there abouts. I would also like to mention the huge part that Warea-Hargreaves played in the Roosters revival in that game.
He came off the bench with a huge amount of aggression and got right up in the faces of his old team mates. Its was really good to see. Chuck Minicello back at fullback and you have ready made title contendors.
As for the Warriors, you may recall me giving huge wraps to Jacob Lillyman about 5 weeks back and stating that he would influential in the Warriors run in. I don't mean to blow my own trumpet but I was right. Firstly as a front rower and now in Michael Luck's absence as the lock. He has been huge. He is huge, I didn't realise how broad he is until he came back. He obviously used his time off with injury to bulk up a bit and I see that the Warriors have re-signed him for next year. That is a great move. He can play anywhere in the forwards and seems to have found his spark that I'm sure even he would admit he lost for a while there. He is vital to our playoff hopes this year and the Warriors team next year. Anyone who has 4 Origin caps for Queensland is alright by me.
The Warriors are a bit of a dark horse at the moment. Cleary has the selections right (if you ask me) and they are gelling as a team. Ropati was a bit off the pace last week but he does bring a lot more than Joel Moon does. Vatuvei has been colossal. Seymour has been consistent without being amazing and Maloney has also added some consistency to his game. Rapira is making a huge difference in getting go forward and Mannering has really stepped up. The Warriors are looking good. Expect them to go past the first week of the playoffs. I think a top four final placing is on the cards for them and while my heart says a grand final place, my head isn't quite there yet.
I think the Eagles will exit early. Everyone is going on about the loss of Glenn Stewart being huge for them. I don't think it is. He is so overrated. But the rest of their team is not that good. Jamie Lyon is their best player. Steve Matai comes up injured from every tackle, I am so glad the Warriors didn't sign him.
I think Penrith without Petero is like Brisbane without Lockyer. I don't expect that they will go much further. The Titans and the Tigers are both dark horses. I love Luke Bailey for the Titans (mainly because of the way Ray Warren says his name).
Once the top 8 is decided Scotty and I will give you our predictions from there as to where it will go. Until then, we have lots of league to watch this weekend.
Go the Warriors
Going into the last round of the competition the table looks like this:
1. St George Illawarra
23
16
7
0
2
480
275
205
36
2. Wests Tigers
23
15
8
0
2
519
482
37
34
3. Penrith
23
14
9
0
2
595
477
118
32
4. Gold Coast
23
14
9
0
2
499
480
19
32
5. Warriors
23
13
10
0
2
513
474
39
30
6. Sydney Roosters
23
13
10
0
2
541
502
39
30
7. Manly
23
12
11
0
2
521
480
41
28
8. Canberra
23
12
11
0
2
481
477
4
28
9. South Sydney
23
11
12
0
2
560
529
31
26
10. Brisbane
23
11
12
0
2
492
517
-25
26
11. Newcastle
23
10
13
0
2
495
535
-40
24
12. Parramatta
23
10
13
0
2
401
465
-64
24
13. Canterbury-Bankstown
23
8
15
0
2
464
515
-51
20
14. Cronulla
23
7
16
0
2
342
559
-217
18
15. North Queensland
23
5
18
0
2
417
649
-232
14
16. Melbourne
23
13
10
0
2
455
359
96
0
The Dragons have been the form team this year without a doubt and deserve their minor premiership. They can’t be caught now, the Rabbitohs face them this weekend and they themselves will be pushing to sneak into 8th spot for a rematch! Whoever ends up in 8th is genuinly up against it. Paramatta made it through last year by a great run of form, there are no teams in contention for 8th that you would say are in a great vein of form so you would have to say that whoever ends up in 8th is going straight back home again.
West Tigers, Penrith and Gold Coast have all had great seasons too. I would suggest that they would round out the top 4 to the misfortune of the Warriors. The Warriors can force a home play off if they beat the Eels and the Gold Coast lose to the Tigers- both pretty real possiblities, so its far from over for the Warriors from making the top 4 and they need a little bit of luck to go their way to get a home semi at mt smart.
But I have to say, the top 4 at the moment have been the frount runners pretty much all season and probably in the scheme of things deserve to finish in the top 4 and get the home games. 5 and 6 are also pretty secure. The Warriors and the Roosters will both make the 8 regardless of what happens this weekend, its just where in the 8 they will fall that matters now, they are neck and neck in terms of points difference, the Roosters take on the hapless Cowboys and the Warriors go up against the unpredictable Eels. The Roosters are in some rampant form and I think they’ll dish out a hiding to the Cowboys. The Warriors should beat the Eels, but I think the difference will be the sheer hiding that the Roosters are going to give the Cowboys that will see them elevated to 4th or 5th, the Warriors in 6th. Manly would have to lose by a lot to drop out of the 8, I suppose mathematically its possible, but unlikely against a stuttering Bulldogs. Canberra, the Rabbits and the Broncos are pretty much all in with an equal chance of rounding out the top 8.
Canberra and Broncos line up against each other in a life or death match- should make for good watching! If Canberra win then obviously the Broncos are gone and Souths will be too. If the Broncos get up, they’ll need to dish out a thrashing to get over the line! But even if they beat Canberra, Souths still need to thump the Dragons by plenty to get in.
Having considered all that I think I can reasonably predict the following top 8:
Dragons:
Tigers
Penrith
Titans
Roosters
Warriors
Sea Eagles
Raiders
From there – Dragons v Raiders – (Dragons). Sea Eagles v Tigers (Sea Eagles) Panthers v Warriors (Warriors) Titans v Roosters (Roosters). After that – who knows- its all too complicated to figure out at 5pm.
Richie is now going to come along as disagree with everything I just said:!
I hate to say it Scotty but I am going to have to disagree with you about the Dragons being a foregone conclusion come the first week of the finals. This time last year they were looking pretty strong and looking like going all the way.
Don't get me wrong, they have a great team. Darius Boyd at the back, Nightingale, Copper and Gasnier in the centres and Soward and Hornby in the halves. That is a formidable backline and we haven't even started talking about their forwards. Chuck Weyman, Costigan, Creagh, Jeremy Smith and Nathan Fien in for good measure and you do have one of the best teams on paper. The problem with these guys is that they are becoming the perennial chokers of the NRL. I think this has a lot to do with Soward. He is someone that does standout most weeks for the Dragons. But the guy has never really been tested. I think that there is a reason that the NSW selectors keep overlooking him and that is because he doesn't have any big game experience. Ben Hornby is also a journeyman in that respect. I like the Dragons, but I just don't think that they will be guaranteed to beat the 8th placed team, such is the evenness of the competition this year.
I think Scotty's top 8 predictions are just about bang on. I can't see the Broncos getting up against the Raiders this weekend. They were horrible last weekend against the Warriors and they just don't look like they have the goods without Lockyer. They are missing the stalwarts that they used to have. They have young guys with huge potential but just aren't quite there yet. For you Broncos fans this year, thanks for the memories but it is time your boys hit the proverbial showers early this year but I expect that you will be back and even stronger next year. Hodges on one side and Inglis on the other, being fed cut out passes by Lockyer and Wallace. The Broncos will be back next year.
The Roosters are one team that I think will be grandfinalists this year. I watched their game against Manly last weekend and I was as surprised as Phil Gould that they managed to stay in the hunt and within reach during that first half. They were absolutely rubbish. They had this chump of a guy who is the Cook Island's fullback at the back wearing number 18. I think it was his debut. In this first two minutes, he retreaved a kick, ran it to the line and then rather than taking a tackle, threw a long cut out ball across the field in his own 20m that went to ground. That told the Sea Eagles that he didn't want to run it at them for the rest of the game so they made sure that everytime he got the ball he got three Manly players and was roughed up accordingly. Great rugby league. Despite their horrible fullback and other horrible play, the Roosters held on until oranges, they went into the sheds and came out a completely different team and blew Manly off the park. Granted, this was aided by an 8 point try awarded after the video ref missed a blatant "taking out off the ball" and then penalised Jamie Lyon for diving in late on Kenny-Dowal and making contact with his head. That probably changed the game but it doesn't change the fact that the Roosters stepped up. Todd Carney is a magician at 6. He is the best player in the game at the moment and as long as he is fit and staying off the booze then the Roosters will be there or there abouts. I would also like to mention the huge part that Warea-Hargreaves played in the Roosters revival in that game.
He came off the bench with a huge amount of aggression and got right up in the faces of his old team mates. Its was really good to see. Chuck Minicello back at fullback and you have ready made title contendors.
As for the Warriors, you may recall me giving huge wraps to Jacob Lillyman about 5 weeks back and stating that he would influential in the Warriors run in. I don't mean to blow my own trumpet but I was right. Firstly as a front rower and now in Michael Luck's absence as the lock. He has been huge. He is huge, I didn't realise how broad he is until he came back. He obviously used his time off with injury to bulk up a bit and I see that the Warriors have re-signed him for next year. That is a great move. He can play anywhere in the forwards and seems to have found his spark that I'm sure even he would admit he lost for a while there. He is vital to our playoff hopes this year and the Warriors team next year. Anyone who has 4 Origin caps for Queensland is alright by me.
The Warriors are a bit of a dark horse at the moment. Cleary has the selections right (if you ask me) and they are gelling as a team. Ropati was a bit off the pace last week but he does bring a lot more than Joel Moon does. Vatuvei has been colossal. Seymour has been consistent without being amazing and Maloney has also added some consistency to his game. Rapira is making a huge difference in getting go forward and Mannering has really stepped up. The Warriors are looking good. Expect them to go past the first week of the playoffs. I think a top four final placing is on the cards for them and while my heart says a grand final place, my head isn't quite there yet.
I think the Eagles will exit early. Everyone is going on about the loss of Glenn Stewart being huge for them. I don't think it is. He is so overrated. But the rest of their team is not that good. Jamie Lyon is their best player. Steve Matai comes up injured from every tackle, I am so glad the Warriors didn't sign him.
I think Penrith without Petero is like Brisbane without Lockyer. I don't expect that they will go much further. The Titans and the Tigers are both dark horses. I love Luke Bailey for the Titans (mainly because of the way Ray Warren says his name).
Once the top 8 is decided Scotty and I will give you our predictions from there as to where it will go. Until then, we have lots of league to watch this weekend.
Go the Warriors